Topic: 让我们团结起来，抵制枫叶卡。 @蒙特利尔华人论坛:蒙特利尔枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Montreal

枫下茶话 / 法律 / 让我们团结起来，抵制枫叶卡。 -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-14 {896} (#855346@0)

what CIC really wants to do is make money: Please count how much is this: 150million immigrants *($50 application fee + $50 notary+photo)... -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-14 (#855354@0)

Does 枫叶卡 apply to an Australia Citizen who also has Canadian Citizen? It looks like dual nationality policy of canada is conflict with the regulation of the 枫叶卡. -seraphim(摇滚小乖); 2002-11-15 (#855983@0)

枫叶卡是给加拿大移民的，跟公民没关系。加拿大有150million immigrants吗？ -lonetour(游子); 2002-11-15 (#856511@0)

Sorry. I mean 1.5 million. Alway used to the chinese way of counting. This is the number in CIC's official document. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856642@0)
加拿大公民跟枫叶卡有关系. Canadian Citizen also can keep Australia Citizenship, therefore 加拿大公民 can keep Australia Citizenship with 移民 status and 枫叶卡 under Dual Nationality Policy of Canada -seraphim(摇滚小乖); 2002-11-16 (#858469@0)

Sigh. I really don't get what you are saying. One word, a Canadian citizen cannot apply for a PR Card, no matter what other citizenship s/he holds too. -lonetour(游子); 2002-11-16 (#858839@0)

Why Dual Nationality Canadian citizens cannot apply for a PR Card? Dual Nationality Canadian citizen can use their Australia or English Passport with 枫叶卡 based on Dual Nationality Policy of Canada. -seraphim(摇滚小乖); 2002-11-16 {521} (#858876@0)

被你绕的有点糊涂：P。我只知道 permanent resident和citizen是在法律上规定很严格的词，而顾名思义PR card是给PR的，所以一定不适用于citizen。 -rockywei(落基山); 2002-12-20 (#926902@0)

我也正在研究你们讨论的这个问题。我想这必须举例才能说清。现在的枫叶卡是不许加拿大公民申请，已经申请的一旦入籍就自动取消（CIC网站上这么说）。
对原来持中国护照的PR, 申请了加拿大公民后就有可能再无法延期中国护照（中国驻加使馆对护照延期要求：已在加住满五年的需提供未入加籍证明，不知在中国境内延期护照是否可以绕过这条），也就等于放弃了中国国籍。但是如果原来持的护照国承认双重国籍，就不会有无法延期原住国护照的问题，所以双重国籍还是可以保留。
所以枫叶卡是堵塞了一些漏洞，我们这些想拿双重国籍的中国人就没戏了。不知大家认为我的理解对不对。 -qingchuanlili(qingchuan); 2003-1-13 {476} (#972882@0)

支持！起草一份抗议信，收集各议员办公室的电邮或传真号(他们网站上有)，大家各自给他们发，众多的声音才会引起民意代表们的注意。 -junwang689(Wang Jun); 2002-11-15 (#855849@0)

Yes. -cae(cae); 2002-11-15 (#856043@0)
再支持一下。尽管我可以不用办枫叶卡，但我还是支持一把 -chenql26(真的不懂); 2002-11-15 (#856082@0)
枫叶卡 is sh*t! -cl2000(cl); 2003-1-12 (#971068@0)

hands // -lusi(丑小鸭); 2002-11-15 (#856136@0)

6。28后的新移民枫叶卡的50块钱好象在landing fee中已经包括(他们的landing fee 涨了50)，我们倒是多交了公证费。移民部是为那些移民公司赚钱，并增加自己的工作机会，不至于下岗。 -yellowpage(yellowpage); 2002-11-15 (#856499@0)

对6月30日以后拿到LANDING PAPER的人,无需填任何的表格,卡自会寄到.And they need not pay more $50. and they saved lots of time on this.
It's really unfair.

This is also apply for those recieve their landing paper and landed in Canada after 6.28. Luck!
SO do you think we should try this. If the CIC is able to give them for free, why charge us, and give us some much trouble. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-21 {315} (#868418@0)

抗议信的样本(建议修改后再发) -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-11-15 {2178} (#856537@0)

Great! -haihai(海海); 2002-11-15 (#856567@0)
好极了，你真是说干就干！ -cx57(冷月); 2002-11-15 (#856591@0)

嘿嘿，已经干了一个多月了。发给了Sun、Toronto Star、Metro Today，MIssissauga News、公民与移民部部长、还有一个官，忘了。可惜，迄今为止未得到任何回复。 :((((((((((((((((( 555555555 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-11-15 {59} (#856601@0)

then pls refer: #816892. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#856716@0)

It's not a new one. pls refer: #762385 -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#856712@0)

Great! Thanks. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856604@0)
It's not only guarantor! it's the respect to all our immigrants. and also the fee, the time, and the trouble. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856746@0)
Suggestion: change "extraodinary" in the first line of your letter to "extremely unreasonable". -ruoer(若儿); 2002-11-16 (#857908@0)
great! 有大规模的示威活动我一定参加！ -lostincanda(lostincanada); 2002-12-20 (#926832@0)
pyramid, Great job. I noticed that from another notes that you come from Motorola, me too, maybe we can talk to each other someday. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-12-23 (#931537@0)

Sure, why not. Just click and send me an email. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2003-1-12 (#971142@0)

支持，不过光发信解决不了问题，如果能组织一个游行什么的，把声势搞大，估摸能起点作用 -hawkbear(醉里挑灯看剑); 2002-11-15 (#856632@0)

到哪里游？我要报名参加。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-11-15 (#856659@0)

多伦多哪位大侠能组织一下，大家就在rolia上报名 -hawkbear(醉里挑灯看剑); 2002-11-15 (#856677@0)

Where is the CIC office in Toronto area? -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856679@0)

Definitely disgree -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 {806} (#856689@0)

找骂？ -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-11-15 (#856707@0)

pls refer #816892 again. I only expressed my opinion. By the way, I am really curious whether you are ready to apply the card since there is no response to your stupid protest letter? -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#856732@0)

the request from CIC for this PR card is absolutly not resonalbly. Are you happy with that? -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856757@0)

I am not happy with that. Actually I also think it's unreasonable. But I will try my best to obey the requirements instead of wasting time to protest. I am going to pick up my card next week. It cost me about $60 totally. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#856769@0)
The resaon I immigrate to Canada is becasue it's a free country and I can express my own opoion, not like in China. So same as I feel it's not resonable and I want to do something.I called them and no answer, and leave my number to them, and wait for their answer, and I want to get help for my fellow people.
Believe this. this is Canada, a FREEDOM county.
ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE.
If everybody just obey the rule, why not stay at home? While we are not intend to have trouble with the government, instead, we want to help them do their job well.

Trust us, if we win, you will get re-fund of all your expense $60. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 {442} (#856787@0)

I have already said that the PR Card is an issue concerning national security. Don't waste your time, you won't get any valuable response. Believe me, no country will give up their policy regarding security issue.Furthermore, I don't want to get my $60 refund. I came here to live a peaceful and tranquil life instead of hustle and bustle. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 {127} (#856838@0)

Ok, I know what type of person you are. Most of Chinese who lived in China are like this. Most of time, myself. But we need do something. If you don’t dare to … Don’t stop others to fight for you. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856856@0)

Don't use the word 'dare'. It's none of business to bravery. I dare to do everything if need. But this time, it's worthless and time comsuming. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#856879@0)

Worthless? How can you know if you don't even try it? -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#856992@0)

A country will scarifice any individual's alleged rights regarding that issue. --你还是回中国去算了。CCP的统治方式更适合你。 -smallwhale(喝不了咖啡); 2002-11-15 (#856814@0)

That issue means NATIONAL SECURITY. It's much more important than any individual's rights. No one can enjoy his/her rights if the national security is threatened. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#856847@0)

Do you really believe the card will solve the national security issue? Even the answer is yes, it’s the responsibility of the government to prepare the card. Why they charge us so much?Do you really believe the card will solve the national security issue?
Even the answer is yes, it’s the responsibility of the government to prepare the card. Why they charge us so much? And give us so trouble, we already have too many difficulties in the new county. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 {268} (#856865@0)

Read this. -takeoff(again); 2002-11-15 {828} (#857778@0)

200% agree. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-18 (#861519@0)

我想问一下，纯粹好奇，没有别的什么意思：如果抗议没有结果，你准备怎么办？坚决抗争到底，不办枫卡？还是先办了卡，然后再讨个说法？ -lmx(流氓兔); 2002-11-15 (#857009@0)

Good question. This is just what I want to know from prymid. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-11-15 (#857135@0)
我的意见是：闹是要闹一闹的，起码要让人听到有反对的声音。因为这是我自己可以左右的。但是有没有作用，也不是我说了算。最后没有结果，枫叶卡还要申请。这就是我的人生哲学，我会尽自己最大的努力，但是也要面对现实。我只改变我能改变的，我已经尽了力。只有在没有办法的时候，我才会逆来顺受，不会上来就接受一个我反对的东西。

其实这也是佛教的世界观的精华，注重过程，尽最大的努力，接受结果。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-11-15 {232} (#857176@0)

Thanks. Good point. -lmx(流氓兔); 2002-11-15 (#857789@0)
IF you cannot beat 'em, join 'em -muou5799(muou); 2002-11-16 (#858456@0)

Yeah. But anyway I will try to see if I can or not. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-11-17 (#859637@0)

I will not apply, maybe wait for tow more years to apply citizenship. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-15 (#857220@0)

I agree . but useless.有用吗? -yellowp(ye); 2002-11-15 {45} (#857145@0)

你的帖子颜色不够黄 -ocaendeep(北极熊绝版 Zzz Zzz); 2002-11-15 {92} (#857213@0)

what do you mean? -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-18 (#861514@0)

挡车? -blaise(int,...); 2002-11-16 (#858462@0)
抵制是"螳臂挡车"之举,不过可以强烈抗议,要求政府给我们免费办风叶卡 -jacky2001(beyond); 2002-11-17 (#859713@0)

强烈抗议,政府会给我们免费办风叶卡，还会把这个移民部长搞下台。 Believe it, this is Canada. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-21 (#868483@0)

没有用的 -greeting(随便看看); 2002-11-17 (#860599@0)
看来，团结起来不容易--尤其是中国人。起码大家应该都给移民局打个电话表示不满。我决定不去申请。大不了，2004年后不回去--省钱良方--加国经济又少了一点消费刺激。看来，团结起来不容易--尤其是中国人。起码大家应该都给移民局打个电话表示不满。
我决定不去申请。
大不了，2004年后不回去--省钱良方--加国经济又少了一点消费刺激。 -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-18 {158} (#861508@0)

ＤＸ，把精力花在别的更有意义的事情上，你会更有出息的。 -mafan(麻烦); 2002-11-18 (#861546@0)

How about I charge you $30-50 to help you apply for this Card. -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-18 (#861831@0)

支持etobicoke啊！！！！ -renter(土豆条); 2002-11-19 (#863985@0)

agree -asdf701(asdf); 2002-11-19 (#864478@0)
坚决支持,实在是太不像话,所以我到现在也没有办,希望大家骨头能够硬起来. -rror(斧头帮黄金左脚); 2002-11-20 (#867062@0)
据调查，50% 以上的人都不满意枫叶卡。但都敢怒不敢言。据调查，50% 以上的人都不满意枫叶卡。但都敢怒不敢言。 -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-21 {52} (#868394@0)

56.7% http://www.51.ca/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16136 -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-21 (#868397@0)

移民部长企图发行公民身份证，造否决。公民们可不好惹。移民部长企图发行公民身份证，造否决。公民们可不好惹。 -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-11-28 {52} (#881922@0)
华联会网上游行已有200人网上请愿 -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-12-2 (#890914@0)
评论：移民要变成二等公民了吗？ -etobicoke(Toronto); 2002-12-17 {4173} (#919817@0)
agree -resp4child(教育基金); 2002-12-20 (#926792@0)
but, .... -resp4child(教育基金); 2002-12-20 (#926795@0)
信改的怎样了，要不要签名支持。算我一个，还有我们全家，及相关朋友20人！ -21cn(21CN); 2002-12-20 (#926881@0)
俗话说“柿子要检软的捏”。移民就是软柿子，因为政府知道移民（其实是新移民，老移民大多都入籍了）没多大能耐，无法对政府施加真正的压力，还记得有句话“国家是属于公民的”。同时政府也知道永久居民的身份对大多数移民来说只是过渡，等事过境迁也就没人在乎了。这种情况下，虽然我赞成情愿，但觉得不会有用。 -rockywei(落基山); 2002-12-20 {264} (#926937@0)
也许您的愿望是好的，但是我想绝对不会有结果的，还是团结在其他方面啊。 -xuqiszh(老苏州); 2002-12-23 (#931668@0)

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