修改后的抗议信(仅供参考，建议修改后再发)。附公民部和移民部的电子邮件。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔) @蒙特利尔华人论坛:蒙特利尔枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Montreal

枫下茶话 / 法律 / 聊聊申请枫叶卡的事: -whitetiger(whitetiger); 2002-9-24 {1853} (#764112@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛通读了一遍从网上DOWN下来的材料：
大致他们要六种东西：
（1）、填好的IMM5444。
（2）、交费收据（IMM5401）
（3）、Supplementary Identification Form(IMM5455)
（4）、公证后的护照拷贝。
（5）、公证后的LP拷贝（IMM1000）。
（6）、多交一份贴在IMM5401上的那种照片。

另外，发现IMM5444的说法和新法有冲突。在IMM5444上说，一定要在过去五年内住够730天（In order to meet the requirements of permanent residency, you must have been physically present in Canada for at least 730 days in the past five year
period. Under the following four options, time spent outside of Canada will be considered the same as time spent in Canada for residency obligation purposes.
Complete one or more of the following four options if you were not in Canada for at least 730 days in the past five year period but you were otherwise satisfying the
residency obligations.）。那上面可没说你成为加拿大PR后是否已过去五年，不管你是否第一次申请枫叶卡，也就是说大家一视同仁。比方说，你是今年6月27号登陆，之后你一直在加拿大，但在过去五年里，你其实最多只在加拿大呆过95天（到9月底），肯定不够730天，所以你就不合格了，申请了也会被拒。

但新法里说，分两种情况，如果你是五年前成为PR的，你要在这五年内住满730天（包括那些他们认可的情况下的天数也计算在内）；如果你成为PR还不满五年，只要你能说明你能在成为PR后的第一个五年内住满730天就足够了，还是上面那个例子，那个人是6月27成为PR的，他虽然还没住满730天，但在6月27号后的五年中，他完全有可能住满730天，所以他是能申请枫叶卡的。

IMM5444本来应该是一份逻辑非常严谨的官方文件，但却出现了这样大的漏洞，以至于和自己的法律向冲突了！有两种可能，一种说是一种漏洞，是起草文件的人的失误；第二种，就是加拿大政府有意留下的TRAP，这样从去年2001年以来到6月27号前的新移民大多不满足领枫叶卡的条件。

至于担保人的事，前面大家也分析过了，确实也是欠考虑的！能找到那种担保人的人，大多恐怕已入籍或正在申请入籍，这些真正要求担保人的新移民恐怕大多找不到合适担保人。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

从去年2001年以来到6月27号前的新移民大多不满足领枫叶卡的条件?????You scared me!@@....ZA3 BAN4?~ -mildkiller(M.K.); 2002-9-24 (#764117@0)

你去仔细读读IMM5444和它的说明，人家说了“过去五年一定要住满730天”！ -whitetiger(whitetiger); 2002-9-24 (#764130@0)

No such thing! -ding_ding(丁_丁); 2002-9-24 (#764313@0)

对于我和大多数一年新的新移民，真是一个难题。我想移民局会被迫接受大量这样的申请。因为该卡本身就自带矛盾：它也同时授予正在办理移民的人，他们也没有两年担保人啊。 -zyl_prc(George); 2002-10-17 (#802635@0)

移民部的要求确实过分，我们应该发出一点声音。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764131@0)

写信给部长。B-) 我觉得不太可能是故意的陷阱，等着官方的道歉和解释吧。 -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#764152@0)

部长的地址是什么？ -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764158@0)

:O 不知道，你去找一下嘛，你说是email好还是邮寄的mail好？:D -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#764160@0)

BOTH. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764176@0)

你办事，我们放心。:D -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#764180@0)

大家都要办，其实如果每人写一封，绝对会改变目前的政策，算一下帐，一张邮票0.47，比什么公正费、宣誓费、申请非贵多了。至于写信没什么，我花了二十分钟写完的。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 {20} (#764205@0)
咱托福作文是满分。:)

好啊，10月下旬等我到了多伦多，如果那时候还没道歉和更改的话，我也寄一封义正词严的去。:P -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#764220@0)

修改后的抗议信(仅供参考，建议修改后再发)。附公民部和移民部的电子邮件。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 {2195} (#764248@0)

you are so cute! where do you live? now the postage fee within canada is $0.48 exclusive tax. after reading your poor letter, I am sure that TOEFL's essay means nothing. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764369@0)

Well it is really nothing but many people have to attend that test. I hope you will not be one of them. Do you think that $0.01 really so important? -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764375@0)

it's not important whether I have ever taken TOEFL exam, neither is $0.01 difference of the postage fee. But your lack of common sence really makes me laugh. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 {287} (#764395@0)
I strongly recommend you not write a letter because it's too fomal and there are too many words so that it's out of your ability. You are supposed to be a picketer or protester sitting on the ground before CIC office while you could even fast to cleanse your body as well as spirit. :D

Sigh, after so many years of Chinese education for the English grammer, you still can not express correctly what you mean? -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764418@0)

I am afraid you could not even figure out the meaning of 'fast', 'cleanse' and the sentence structure because of your poor education. that's the reason why you could not understand -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764430@0)

I hate to talk to you but it was you attacked me in the first place. I had lower education than you so please do not reply any of my posts from now on. Thanks. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764439@0)

I just want to help you to improve. If I could input chinese now, I would explain the detail meaning of those words to you. Don't be shy for your lower education. :D -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764456@0)

别理这种人，我们支持pyramid的想法，做总比不做的好，枫叶卡真是个匪夷所思的东西......... -away(away from home); 2002-9-25 {54} (#765727@0)
加拿大是个讲诚信的国家，正面的抗议比较好，至少得试一试

beyond one's ability -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 {8} (#764438@0)
you too.

'beyond' and 'out of' are same here. don't show off with your limited knowledge. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764450@0)

show off with your limited knowledge....Q_Q -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 (#764477@0)

Show off with. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764493@0)

I strongly recommed you buy a good dictionary where you could pick up the meaning of 'show off'. it's really good to you. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764511@0)

Good to you. :D -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764571@0)

In formal english, 'good to' can replace 'good for'. Here using 'to' instead of 'unto'. Do you know the word 'unto'? you are really a fool but always trying to show off. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764596@0)

do you know the meaning of 'show off'? TSK. :D -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764501@0)

Go to => -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 {164} (#764528@0)
I don't mean attack, I don't mean a doggy fight.

You are out of line no matter how much you disagree with others.

Let's make truce now. the URL is for fun.
http://www.showoffyourstuff.com/

that's the 'vt'. 'show off' could also be used as 'vi' followed by 'with'. The word 'limited' described you very well. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764539@0)

u r lovely -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 (#764552@0)

u r cute -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764559@0)

Don't be shy for your lower education. :D -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 (#764483@0)

Lower? I am not sure. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764497@0)

刚刚查过了，说TOEFLnothing的人雅思才5.5,,,,,,,,,啧啧！厉害。。。。。 -away(away from home); 2002-9-25 (#765735@0)

实在看不下去了，没考过托福的居然说托福是nothing,,,,,,自大的可以！ -away(away from home); 2002-9-25 (#765724@0)

how do you know I had not taken TOEFL? I am sure my TOEFL score and TWE are higher than yours. Also, my GPA is much higher than yours. please refer #765203 -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-25 (#765858@0)

版主，能否把jqian定为不受欢迎的人，封其IP。 -jami(jami); 2002-9-25 (#767105@0)

我也同意。一个政府不会这么去做的。 -kevin2000(流星雨-我俗，还不成); 2002-9-24 (#764161@0)

看的头痛 -suantou(蒜头mm); 2002-9-24 (#764215@0)
我个人的理解 -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 {1526} (#764247@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛仔细看了一下IMM5445，觉得你可能误解了其中的一些意思。

IMM 5445 的第15点称：

15. List all of your absences from Canada during the past 5 years. You must account for each month.
Note that if, with respect to a 5 year period, you were not, for a total of 730 days
· physically present in Canada,
· outside Canada accompanying a Canadian citizen who is your spouse or common-law
partner or, in the case of a child, their parent,
· outside Canada employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the public
service of Canada or of a province, or
· outside Canada accompanying a permanent resident who is your spouse or commonlaw partner or, in the case of a child, their parent and who is employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the public service of Canada or of a province, you may not have upheld the residency obligations required of Canadian permanent residents
and may consequently lose permanent resident status.
Complete one or more of options 1 to 4 of this question only if you were not in Canada for at least 730 days in the past five year period but you were otherwise satisfying the residency obligations.

请注意原文中的“absence from"一词，牛津字典对它的中文解释是：“离开”。从我个人的理解，这句话的意思是“列出过去五年你离开加拿大的情况”。象我这样登陆了只有半年的，且一直在加的情况下根本不用理会这第15点。试想一下，你还没有来，哪来的离开？！

今天在网上下载了IMM5444并填了，表中的第一条就是要你注明成为“永久居民”的时间。我想一个成熟的政府不该玩这种小游戏吧。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

我还没仔细看这些东西。反正我从来不担心他们敢不发枫叶卡给我。X-( 不过，不管怎么样，它引起了大家这么多担忧或者误解，我们完全有必要要求官方做出更清晰的解释。 -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#764268@0)

只是你要回来办和拿。 -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#764287@0)

on the supplementary form (IMM5455), you should also fill your client ID in section 3. Actually most immigrants do not know their client ID during immigration application. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764361@0)

Do you still remember the Client ID? -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#764377@0)

are you kidding? We are not supposed to be given any client ID while applying immigration. I mean client ID, something like 1234-5678. it's not file number and landing paper number. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764404@0)

I see, I do remember I saw my Client ID once on the copy of fee invoice. I will check my parents this evening, and give you a feedback. -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#764417@0)

I am afraid you are wrong. I have the receipt in had now. it's not client id. every person should has a client id, but you and your wife share one receipt. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764425@0)

I will check my parent first. I do remember I see the Client ID on the first receipt copy. If not such one, I will check my immigration agent. -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 {99} (#764441@0)
I think my wife and I should share one Client ID, because we applied as a family not independently.

just call the CIC call center, tell them your personal information and landing paper number, you will get your client id. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764458@0)

Good idea. Proven? -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#764463@0)

exactly proven! I have two unique client IDs now. one is for myself, while the other is for my wife. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764468@0)

see #764464 and thanks again. -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#764475@0)

my wife and I also applied as a family case, but I got two unique client IDs yesterday. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764461@0)

I see. Thanks and I will check them out. -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#764464@0)

“absence”是“不在，缺席”的意思。如果你还没登陆，当然也是不在，缺席。我也倾向于他们的工作失误，但这是法律文件，按说要很严谨才对。另外，对法律文件的理解，就是要逐字逐句理解，不能自己去推论。 -whitetiger(whitetiger); 2002-9-24 (#765105@0)

我建议你去查查absence from 一词再回来说话. 不好意思，我感觉你在凭空臆想，你有证实过吗？笑话！！！ -tytang(TY); 2002-9-24 (#765133@0)

本来不想说，因为不喜欢打字，但看见这么多曲解和误解，实在忍不住，就说说吧 -syhhy(GoingWithTheFlow); 2002-9-24 {1312} (#764305@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1.
This application is for persons with permanent resident status in Canada who are applying for an initial, renewal or replacement Permanent Resident Card (PR Card).

To be eligible for a PR Card:
An applicant must:
• be a permanent resident of Canada;
• must be physically present in Canada;
• not be under an effective removal order; and
• not be a Canadian citizen.

这里清楚说明了什么人可以申请 PR Card。

2.
In order to meet the requirements of permanent residency, you must have been physically present in Canada for at least 730 days in the past five year
period.

这句好像与新法有冲突，实际不是，看看它放在哪里就明白了，它是说给那些有 absences 的人听的，重申了一下新法的规定而已。

3.
要递交的材料，这位老兄已经写了，就那么多，没什么复杂的，和申请移民递交的材料比，小巫见大巫。除了护照，也没有重复递交的东西。

4.
担保人很容易找，家庭医生就行，根本不需要去认识什么 top persons。唯一的困难是两年的时间要求，但已经提供了解决办法，也不是什么难事。已经有人找到了免费的地方。

5.
所有要求你提供的材料的目的，也是唯一的目的，就是证明你符合新法 PR 的条件。

6.
俺觉得唯一不清楚的地方是要填写过去五年的地址和工作。俺认为对于从 landing 到申请日少于五年的，应从 landing 日填起，而非五年前，因为 landing 前的资料对于判断你是否符合 PR 没有任何用处。这点有待确认。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

那里有免费的?能说详细点吗? -ebusiness(ebusiness); 2002-9-24 (#764334@0)

#763182 -syhhy(GoingWithTheFlow); 2002-9-24 (#764343@0)

我和我的朋友都很感兴趣，可以告诉我们怎麽找吗？ -manyquestion(manyquestion); 2002-9-24 (#764923@0)

#764598 -syhhy(GoingWithTheFlow); 2002-9-24 (#764929@0)

Great, Thanks. -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 (#764342@0)
我在决定写抗议信之前的第一件事，就是下载移民部的文件并经过了仔细阅读。个人认为信中没有任何误解他们文件的地方。倒是很多提醒我要了解好政策再写信的人，根本就没读我写的信就发贴了。 -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 {248} (#764352@0)
对于我个人来讲，找人也不是难事，我的同事都是。他们可以签署我的驾照复印件，但是他们无法证明他们认识我之前的事情，所以还得去宣誓。我觉得政府把这件事搞得很复杂，当然谁都可以做到，但是太麻烦了。

对于离开加拿大申请的事，可能更复杂，我没有仔细研究过。

my thought -mssg(mssg); 2002-9-24 {386} (#764365@0)
1. It must be very hard to get some common sense.

2. It must be even harder to listen to different opinions.

3 The hardest is to listen to oneself.

4. PR card is for immigrants' own convenience, of course those landed between 1998-2002 will have to apply again, government is not making things difficult for anyone resident in Canada.

5. I beleive I read most of your posts

PR card is for immigrants' own convenience -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 {114} (#764370@0)
不同意。以前没有这玩艺，一样很方便。这东西完全是美国的九一一逼出来的，你竟然不知道吗？有什么更方便的，说出来听听。

The idea of PR card came up before sept.11, 2001. -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#764408@0)

I believe that should apply to new arrivals. For those who aleady landed, landing paper should be ok. Just my personnal opinion. -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764420@0)

有些人的发贴和回贴风格也真算是Rolia一景。:-) -jianghongca(慎独); 2002-9-24 {18} (#764371@0)
所谓“文如其人”。

你的信看过，个人看法：纯粹浪费子弹。不过已经发了，再说什么也没用了。你也是自办移民出来的，应该知道，越是重要的证件，特别是关乎国家安全的证件，申请手续越麻烦，哪儿都一样。 -syhhy(GoingWithTheFlow); 2002-9-24 (#764392@0)

枫叶卡是专为回国发展人士准备的返加纸 -zhylj(爱谁谁); 2002-9-24 {1710} (#764488@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛2002年刚来就要这个玩意，就得付出高昂的代价。

只要你不离境，持原来的移民纸就可以了。移民部从来就没有说移民纸要作废，只是从04年开始不能用于入境证明身份了。

Will the Permanent Resident Card be mandatory?

Following a transition period, the Card will be required for all permanent residents to re-enter Canada following international travel as of December 31, 2003.

仔细阅读CIC网站的 About the Permanent Resident Card，最后一段再清楚不过说明了PR Card 与 IMM 1000 form 的关系了

Background

The Canadian government has understood the need for a Permanent Resident Card for quite some time. The events of September 11, 2001 raised the issue of border security and the safety of all Canadians to the forefront. This made the introduction of a PR Card a key government initiative.

Before June 28, 2002, a successful landing application process resulted in the issuing of an IMM 1000 form. This document showed the holder's Canadian entry history. It was a large, difficult-to-carry piece of paper with no photograph, few security features and little in the way of privacy for the permanent resident. Technological advancements have made it easy to change, copy or make fraudulent use of many documents, including the IMM 1000.

CIC was intent on finding a replacement for this form that would address convenience, safety, privacy and durability concerns. The new PR Card not only addresses these concerns, but also includes state-of-the-art security features, making it extremely resistant to forgery and alteration.

The Card is a wallet-sized, plastic card, which confirms the permanent resident status of the cardholder. It replaces the IMM 1000 Record of Landing Form for travel purposes.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pr-card/prc-about.html
I just confirmed with the immigration officer through their hotline; -maile(FinchEast); 2002-9-24 {634} (#764520@0)
1. 730days in the past 5 years: this doesn't apply to new immigrants. It does apply to those who landed a relatively long time ago.
2. Gurantor who knows you personally for 2 years; same as point 1, you can choose a witness of oath, and this exception will not affect your application process at all. The witness is not necessarily a lawyer.
3. List of 5 years working/address/etc: you don't have to list those activities before your landing date.

Hope the above can solve your problems. If you don't believe me, I can give you the time I called and the agent who answered my phone, or you can confirm with them by yourself.

Thank you for your effort. Who can be witness of my oath? My colleague who has PEO licence or anyone could be my witness? -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764537@0)

Well, this we need to find out; -maile(FinchEast); 2002-9-24 {283} (#764563@0)
Reading the guideline, we know that a commissioner, a notary public, or a person authorized by law to administer oaths in all matters, or in the jurisdiction in which it is subscribed (the latter part I don't understand completely), can be your witness of oath in lieu of guarantor.

谢谢你！我更加放心了。:D -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#765308@0)
没明白你让我看#764520干什么，我没觉得我有什么误解。 -jqian(Q_Q); 2002-9-24 (#765399@0)

支持金字塔的行动. 他做了一件好事,行使了自己的民主权力. 新移民中这样的人多点才好. 都是各顾各, 政府还以为没有不同意见了. 不明白为什么有些人要这样对他冷嘲热讽. -goodbye(古德白); 2002-9-24 {627} (#764541@0)
加拿大政府最近的移民政策就象月亮, 初一十五不一样. 完全随心所欲, 根本是乱来.

换"枫叶卡"本来是一件挺简单的事情. 拿"有效"的"移民纸"去换就行了. 对那些在加拿大境外呆的时间过长的人, 其"移民纸"根据法律已经失效了. 至于犯罪检查, 在换卡的时候在安全部门的电脑里查一下就行了. 何至于弄得如此复杂?

可笑的是, 换卡者要找保人, 担保你是"良民". 这有点象日本人统治下的"良民证"了. 可人家日本人有保人连坐的规距, 不知道加拿大政府是不是也要仿佼日本人的做法, 来个"枫叶卡"捆绑式销售.

二十一世纪了, 在全球最发达地区的加拿大, 上演这出三十年代的肥皂剧, 也真够荒唐的.

对这种莫名其妙的做法, 写封信表达一下不同意见. 应该不算过份吧.

谢谢！这就象一场政治运动，让人想到文革。:) -pyramid(㊣金字塔); 2002-9-24 (#764566@0)
我赞成金字塔！这种办法只是做给老美看的。想想看那些2001年9月11号前拿到LP的，他们完全可能6月28号后来登陆，这些人也没通过很严格的安全审查，不照样拿到枫叶卡了？ -whitetiger(whitetiger); 2002-9-24 {58} (#765121@0)
防恐怖份子？就这帮连个法律文件都写得漏洞百出的人，能行吗？
支持！既然在加拿大，有一点是特应该向本地人学习的--包容和海涵，这也是中华民族欠缺的。自己有不同想法敢于讲出来，别人有不同想法也要包容--学会善待异己。别人有别人的理由，也许是你所不理解或不知的。宽容些吧。 -dryleaf(dryleaf); 2002-9-24 (#765379@0)
并且，即便如此实施，加国政府的初衷--防止恐怖分子进入加国--也未必能达到，还无端增加了良民们的烦恼，足见有些政府官员的无能和愚蠢。 -dryleaf(dryleaf); 2002-9-24 (#765392@0)

大家不要太着急了，多咨询一下CALL CENTER -cocobear(可可熊); 2002-9-24 {480} (#764598@0)
我今天打了电话给移民部申请枫叶卡的CALL CENTER，问了大家所关心的一些问题，他们的回答如下：
1。过去五年内住满超过730天是一个条件，但不是必要条件，对于象我这种来了还不到一年的移民来说，过去五年是以登陆那一天为起始日期的。
2。如果找不到认识超过两年的担保人，可以到CITY HALL或COURT HOUSE找政府官员，他们有责任为你CERTIFY。
各位网友如还有什么问题，也可以打CALL CENTER的电话去问：1-800-255-4541，这样了解到的信息会更准确和真实一些。也希望各位热心的网友们能将自己得到的信息和大家分享。

谢谢你！我估计问的人多了，他们应该出版一个专门的FAQ了。 -pingle(Lucky Pingle Pie); 2002-9-24 (#765333@0)
请问,我今年2月登陆后马上就回来了,准备明年再去.像我这种情况,明年再登陆以后申请枫叶卡应该是没有问题的吧? -sjxkw(稍有不安); 2002-9-24 {125} (#765375@0)
文件中写到2002年成为移民的人应该在10月15日-11月30日之间申请,所以不知道像我这种2002年登陆后又出境的人明年再申请枫叶卡可不可以?

我和你一样如果你有新消息麻烦联系我好吗？LINDACN99@HOTMAIL.COM谢谢！ -mnbvc(linda); 2002-9-25 (#767538@0)

我会的. 不过你看没有人回答咱的问题... -sjxkw(稍有不安); 2002-9-27 (#770137@0)

关于枫叶卡的一个重要问题要写出申请人过去5年的工作、学习和住址的经历! -21son(Cantonese); 2002-9-27 {453} (#770891@0)
在申请枫叶卡的申请表中有一项是要写出申请人过去5年的工作、学习和住址的经历。你是不是每个月都要写清楚写清楚！还有就是本人是2002年登陆的，在加拿大还呆不够半年，还有4年多在中国的经历，是不是还要写在中国的经历，这岂不是再办一次移民吗？前几天我有一个朋友打电话给加拿大移民局的咨询电话，接线员说：如果是在2002年成为移民而且没有离开加拿大的，就不用填写在过去5年中，加拿大以外的经历的，只填写这半年在加拿大的住址的经历！不知道这是否可行！请各位一次讨论这个问题。
对楼主和金字塔说两句 -fish_ear(fish_ear); 2002-10-1 {445} (#775978@0)
枫叶卡这件事情非常简单，没有必要太紧张。
打一个电话过去就什么都明白了：加拿大政府关心的是你成为PR之后的事情。所以，如果登陆超过五年了，就把五年来的经历写清楚；如果不足五年，就从登陆的时候开始，以月份为单位，写清楚居住、学习、工作、离境的经历。
担保人？要知道5455还有个section G，是可以通过公正解决的。

请大家想想，移民都让咱们移了，还能不给咱们枫叶卡？

放松，好好准备材料。

有问题问我，我在这里贴了一个“完整描述”。

祝大家好运！！

@Montreal

修改后的抗议信(仅供参考，建议修改后再发)。附公民部和移民部的电子邮件。

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